Water power and perpetual motion

Someone at work sent around this link. He asked if it was “for real?”

Man, I was so tempted when I saw the Fox News link to engage in ad hominem. But let’s look at it.

Trust the laws of Physics

First start with the laws of physics. The Third Law of Thermodynamics says that there is no energy for free so he’s probably a whole lot of energy into that water. That’s the hum of a generator I hear in the background?

The guy isn’t claiming it’s a perpetual motion machine, but he’s implying it. A lot of people don’t know this but a lot of multinational corporations fund perpetual motion machine research on the the off chance, “What if they’re correct?” This program reminds me a lot of those machines (usually involving incredibly big magnets some place in the south of the United States…why always that part of the country?). A lot of patents are awarded every year that are all basically perpetual motion machines.

This shit happens all the time, if it isn’t polywater of the 60’s, it’s cold fusion of the 90’s. People, even scientists, can be guilty of magical thinking.

Probably peroxide

Assuming the water is actually doing something here, if I had to guess, it looks like standard electrolysis. That’s what happens when you run electricity through water. But H2 and O2 are flammable.

Remembering my first year chemistry, there is no such thing chemically as “HHO” as claimed in the program. So given the “water torch,” I’m betting my money it’s hydrogen peroxide. Any metal is going to act like a catalyst with peroxide and burn so I’d put my money that the reaction actually 2 H2O + 1 O2 + energy -> 2 H2O2. The test would be to find out if he has an oxygen tank in his contraption.

Anyone want to take that bet?

(I also question its usefulness as a torch/welder. I mean other than satisfy our need to burning holes in things, is it practical? If so, why aren’t people using it? It’s not like hydrogen peroxide is uncommon.)

Verification wierdness

When I tried to verify my guesses I ran across that the term for this is “Brown’s Gas” or “Rhode’s Gas” (now called “Klein gas”, like the Dennis Klein guy in the news clip). Like other scientific hoaxes it seems to come out every decade so they can get a new bunch of suckers to buy this crap.

Do a search for these terms.

I did and ran across this Wikipedia entry. I was in shock after reading it. Sure, Wikipedia is all about Neutral point of view, but the “criticism” section is shit.

My respect for Wikipedia dropped a lot with that one.

I hope Slashdot doesn’t pick this up. It’s going to get ugly.

4 thoughts on “Water power and perpetual motion

  1. My idea is very difficult for understanding. It is not difficult for engineer – mechanic, who knows very good the Pascal’s law and even-arm lever.

    Clean energy

    The entire world is looking for a source of clean energy. I have discovered a certain paradox basing on which a machine called METOZ can be built which by harnessing the gravitation of our EARTH can produce clean energy.
    The energy producing process is demonstrated in:
    and can be very easily confirmed by an experiment.
    I am also in possession of a set of calculations which prove that the METOZ machine:
    1/ does not consume water / 39 A5-pictures /;
    2/ does not consume compressed air / 39 A5-pictures /;
    3/ produces energy to the outside = 4 839 kGm during a „swing cycle” /39 A5-pictures /;
    / this is a „weight cycle” = the centre of gravity of the water in the METOZ machine sinks ( downward movement ) /
    4/ energy is produced / released to the outside = 44 600 kGm during the „straightening cycle” / 39 A5-pictures /.
    / this is a “pressure cycle” = the water mass centre of gravity inside the METOZ machine travels upwards (upward movement) /
    Features: 1/; 2/; 3/; 4/, of the machine owing to appropriate dimensions of individual elements of the lever mechanism.
    The METOZ has an even-arm lever of a 1.72 m length. The centre of gravity of the lever lies beneath the lever suspension point. The METOZ is equipped with two cylinders of a 1.6 m diameter each. Piston sidewalls do not contact directly with cylinder walls. The lever swing changes between and .
    Figures ( 3 x 13 x 4 = 156 ) present temporary, consecutive action situations at intervals of . The middle figure presents the machine and the side figures the position of the left and right cylinder and the mathematical description of these situations.
    In the past I have made two models, which confirmed the legitimacy of my theoretical assumptions concerning the METOZ machine. I have got photographs.
    I am looking for a person who would be interested in my invention. I can offer ample information. I look forward to hearing from you.


    13 – 03 -2005 Gdynia, Polska Zygmunt Orłowski
    P.S. The term “gravitational paradox” use in this description relates to the mathematical and physical description of the action of the METOZ-machine.

    Comment for METOZ



    Orlowski Zygmunt

    Poland 2005

    index html

    Comments concerning machine “METOZ”
    “METOZ” is able to realize the cycle “deflection” and the cycle “straighening.” Both cycles are in accordance with current physic’s laws. “METOZ” as machine can not work and hand over the energy because it would be inconsonant to the law of conservation of energy.
    I propose to execute the following intelectual process:
    we have found ourselves in the Europe of XVII century. We know the trigonometry in the scope of being occured for “METOZ.” We know what is the even-arm lever and moment of force too. Just appeears Mr. Baise Pascal / 1623–1662/ and he publishes his hydraulics law with adequated experiment. All thinkers are sure that this law is correct and quite real. This time someone invents machine “METOZ”. Now turn up the following questions:
    1/ why the implementation of the cycle “deflection” is impossible?
    2/ why the implementation of the cycle “straightening” is impossible?Both groups: opponents and followers of bulding “METOZ” live in XVII–th century and they not know that:
    a/ the idea of an “energy” will be introduced into science scarlerly in mid. of XIX century,
    b/ the law of conservation of the energy will be exist scarlerly after 1847 y.

    Please open GOOgle and klick metozor and after : index of metozor At is site that explains technical details in easy to understand language. example : http://www.nets.pl/~metozor/for_greenpeace.html or
    Everyone is able to build just the model of METOZ machine and test it. Please, have a look at http://www.nets.pl/~metozor/supplement.html Perhaps METOZ is some duplicating machine of a clean energy. SO YOU THINK WE HAVE AN ENERGY PROBLEM ??? NO, WE HAVE A POLITICAL PROBLEM !!!
    I am inventor and owner of Metoz machine invention. Everyone can take absolutely and legitimate the METOZ invention and build the Metoz machine. I can help only. I can not build METOZ. I am moneyless.
    Thank you for your time and interest.

  2. Perpetual motion machines* (the latin term perpetuum mobile is not uncommon) are a class of hypothetical machines which would produce useful energy “from nowhere.” The existence of a perpetual motion machine is generally accepted as being impossible according to current known laws of physics. In particular, perpetual motion machines would violate either the first or second laws of thermodynamics. Perpetual motion machines are divided into two
    subcategories, referred to as perpetual motion of the first kind and perpetual motion of the second kind. There is a chance that the accepted laws of physics are wrong, but a lot of evidence is needed to regeneralize these.

    Physicists may try to test their knowledge of physics by proving, without using thermodynamics, that a proposed perpetual motion machine cannot work. Also, sometimes physicists will discover “apparent” perpetual motion in thought experiments. Such “paradoxes” expose

  3. P.S.
    The conception of an energy is discreate one to the same as a imbecility. No one has seen the energy and no one has seen the imbecility. We are able to observe results of the energy and imbecility. At present we have got to few energy because we have got to much imbecility.
    Thank you for your time and interest.

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