Comments on: Zune and iPod sales discussion http://terrychay.com/blog/article/zune-and-ipod-sales-discussion.shtml You tell that other boy, not to touch the woodwork... Wed, 03 Dec 2008 06:43:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7-hemorrhage hourly 1 By: terry chay http://terrychay.com/blog/article/zune-and-ipod-sales-discussion.shtml#comment-13395 terry chay Tue, 12 Dec 2006 03:46:39 +0000 http://terrychay.com/blog/article/zune-and-ipod-sales-discussion.shtml#comment-13395 Steven Levy <a href="http://www.stevenlevy.com/index.php/2006/12/10/a-universally-bad-idea/" rel="nofollow">gives his opinion on the Zune’s royalty payment</a>. Levy is a journalist first and a commenter second so it is always interesting to hear his take on things. Warning: I’m biased. I’ve liked Levy’s writing since I read his book <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0141000511?ie=UTF8&tag=terrychay-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=0141000511" rel="nofollow">Hackers: Heroes of the Computer Revolution</a> in 1988. Steven Levy gives his opinion on the Zune’s royalty payment. Levy is a journalist first and a commenter second so it is always interesting to hear his take on things.

Warning: I’m biased. I’ve liked Levy’s writing since I read his book Hackers: Heroes of the Computer Revolution in 1988.

]]> By: The Woodwork » Blog Archive » Joining the anti-social http://terrychay.com/blog/article/zune-and-ipod-sales-discussion.shtml#comment-13367 The Woodwork » Blog Archive » Joining the anti-social Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:35:28 +0000 http://terrychay.com/blog/article/zune-and-ipod-sales-discussion.shtml#comment-13367 [...] :-D I was inspired to comment because the actual article mentioned the old gospel: Microsoft is really “hear to stay.” (As long as “Plays For Sure” or “Portable Media Center”?) As people know, this meme really pushes my buttons because it’s so bullshit: PhotoDraw anyone? [...] [...] :-D I was inspired to comment because the actual article mentioned the old gospel: Microsoft is really “hear to stay.” (As long as “Plays For Sure” or “Portable Media Center”?) As people know, this meme really pushes my buttons because it’s so bullshit: PhotoDraw anyone? [...]

]]> By: tychay http://terrychay.com/blog/article/zune-and-ipod-sales-discussion.shtml#comment-11972 tychay Wed, 29 Nov 2006 03:23:14 +0000 http://terrychay.com/blog/article/zune-and-ipod-sales-discussion.shtml#comment-11972 <blockquote>MS never made a smartphone, they make the windows mobile software that runs on others hardware. The xbox is ms hardware and software, just like the zune. It's a entertainment market, just like the xbox, windows mobile software isn't in the entertainment market. There are far more direct comparisons between zune and xbox than between windows mobile and zune. As for peeing on their partners, what's new, I think we all know they don't play nice, instead they play to win.</blockquote> So. Microsoft’s mouse market share is so large that everyone is Logitech is peeing their pants? How about Microsoft’s total dominance of the Apple ][+ CPM card market? Give me a break. Show me one area where Microsoft’s hardware has lead to a market share the size of iPod’s hold on MP3 players? I can’t think of a single one, can you? But I can think of a lot of software plays: Windows, Office, Visual Studio, Project/Visio. I can think of some moderate successes: Windows CE in embedded space, Xbox 360. As well as a lot of failures: Tablet PC, Pocket PC, Windows Mobile, UPMC, Windows Media Center, Plays For Sure, Xbox. See, unlike your narrow minded Microsoft fanboy-isms, I realize that the iPod dominance rests under three legs: iTunes, iTunes Music Store, and the iPod. Over the last five(!) years, Microsoft has used canon fodder to attack the latter two while it provided the first and the DRM for the second. Now the Zune is a direct attack, because two people at the top of Microsoft are jealous that after all these years QuickTime is still alive and well. They remember when they told Avi and Jobs to “knife the baby” and it’s really a thorn when they, the most profitable tech company in history, can’t back up that threat with action. But until Microsoft wipes out Samsung and Creative, I think the burden of proof is on you. I pretty much destroyed your “Xbox is the shiznitt” crap: it is, in no way, trending to dominate the market, and it won't even stop bleeding money until 2Q 2007. They’re just hoping Sony stumbles (which they are, but it looks like Nintendo is the primary recipient of Sony’s largess). Do you think it is a coincidence that the partner that Microsoft tapped to launch the Zune (Toshiba) was the only major player with less that 2% of the market? And while we are on the topic. Why the hell is Microsoft introducing a hard drive player when the units that Apple is selling and having trouble stocking are flash-based?

MS never made a smartphone, they make the windows mobile software that runs on others hardware. The xbox is ms hardware and software, just like the zune. It’s a entertainment market, just like the xbox, windows mobile software isn’t in the entertainment market. There are far more direct comparisons between zune and xbox than between windows mobile and zune. As for peeing on their partners, what’s new, I think we all know they don’t play nice, instead they play to win.

So. Microsoft’s mouse market share is so large that everyone is Logitech is peeing their pants? How about Microsoft’s total dominance of the Apple ][+ CPM card market?

Give me a break. Show me one area where Microsoft’s hardware has lead to a market share the size of iPod’s hold on MP3 players? I can’t think of a single one, can you?

But I can think of a lot of software plays: Windows, Office, Visual Studio, Project/Visio. I can think of some moderate successes: Windows CE in embedded space, Xbox 360. As well as a lot of failures: Tablet PC, Pocket PC, Windows Mobile, UPMC, Windows Media Center, Plays For Sure, Xbox.

See, unlike your narrow minded Microsoft fanboy-isms, I realize that the iPod dominance rests under three legs: iTunes, iTunes Music Store, and the iPod. Over the last five(!) years, Microsoft has used canon fodder to attack the latter two while it provided the first and the DRM for the second. Now the Zune is a direct attack, because two people at the top of Microsoft are jealous that after all these years QuickTime is still alive and well. They remember when they told Avi and Jobs to “knife the baby” and it’s really a thorn when they, the most profitable tech company in history, can’t back up that threat with action.

But until Microsoft wipes out Samsung and Creative, I think the burden of proof is on you. I pretty much destroyed your “Xbox is the shiznitt” crap: it is, in no way, trending to dominate the market, and it won’t even stop bleeding money until 2Q 2007. They’re just hoping Sony stumbles (which they are, but it looks like Nintendo is the primary recipient of Sony’s largess).

Do you think it is a coincidence that the partner that Microsoft tapped to launch the Zune (Toshiba) was the only major player with less that 2% of the market? And while we are on the topic. Why the hell is Microsoft introducing a hard drive player when the units that Apple is selling and having trouble stocking are flash-based?

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