Comments on: I found a use for Ruby http://terrychay.com/blog/article/rails-for-php-developers.shtml You tell that other boy, not to touch the woodwork... Sat, 30 Aug 2008 10:38:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7-hemorrhage hourly 1 By: The Woodwork » Blog Archive » Egos and assholes http://terrychay.com/blog/article/rails-for-php-developers.shtml#comment-481250 The Woodwork » Blog Archive » Egos and assholes Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:33:59 +0000 http://terrychay.com/blog/?p=673#comment-481250 [...] @tychay: “delphi is more popular than ruby“” —Travis Swicegood …I figured Christmas break is coming up so I wrote a blog [...] [...] @tychay: “delphi is more popular than ruby“” —Travis Swicegood …I figured Christmas break is coming up so I wrote a blog [...]

]]> By: Regin http://terrychay.com/blog/article/rails-for-php-developers.shtml#comment-412551 Regin Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:58:09 +0000 http://terrychay.com/blog/?p=673#comment-412551 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/23/amateur-hour-over-at-twitter/ <--- man I think there's a lot of people waiting for you next rant on Rails... http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/23/amateur-hour-over-at-twitter/ <— man I think there’s a lot of people waiting for you next rant on Rails…

]]> By: Nir http://terrychay.com/blog/article/rails-for-php-developers.shtml#comment-369492 Nir Fri, 22 Feb 2008 21:37:03 +0000 http://terrychay.com/blog/?p=673#comment-369492 >(I’ll be sure to get a metrosexual haircut. It’ll probably make me a better Ruby developer.) heh :) There definitely is an "annoying hipsters" quality to the RoR crowd, both in looks and general attitude.. I don't know what's the SF equivalent, but reading some RoR blogs does feel like walking around Williamsburg (the Brooklyn neighborhood) OTOH while Rails didn't invent CoC, MVC and DRY, it did a lot to bring them to the attention of Web developers, as a byproduct of the amazing hype it received, and that's generally a good thing. >(I’ll be sure to get a metrosexual haircut. It’ll probably make me a better Ruby developer.)

heh :) There definitely is an “annoying hipsters” quality to the RoR crowd, both in looks and general attitude.. I don’t know what’s the SF equivalent, but reading some RoR blogs does feel like walking around Williamsburg (the Brooklyn neighborhood)

OTOH while Rails didn’t invent CoC, MVC and DRY, it did a lot to bring them to the attention of Web developers, as a byproduct of the amazing hype it received, and that’s generally a good thing.

]]> By: Pádraic Brady http://terrychay.com/blog/article/rails-for-php-developers.shtml#comment-367636 Pádraic Brady Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:44:50 +0000 http://terrychay.com/blog/?p=673#comment-367636 @tychay: Please tell Ruby to stop siddling up to D - it's unseemly. If it wants to share it's misery it should seek out Coldfusion... At least that's somewhere in the anonymous middle, far from the well buried and nondescript company of Erlang... @tychay: Please tell Ruby to stop siddling up to D - it’s unseemly. If it wants to share it’s misery it should seek out Coldfusion… At least that’s somewhere in the anonymous middle, far from the well buried and nondescript company of Erlang…

]]> By: tychay http://terrychay.com/blog/article/rails-for-php-developers.shtml#comment-367006 tychay Wed, 20 Feb 2008 03:03:38 +0000 http://terrychay.com/blog/?p=673#comment-367006 @Manuel: I stand corrected. :-) I'm not surprised that Third Rail doesn't help. The Ruby world has been lax to adopt Eclipse simply because it isn't written in Ruby, but Java. :-) (I’ll be sure to get a metrosexual haircut. It’ll probably make me a better Ruby developer.) @pt: Rails has a friendly community as long as you don’t point out its shortcomings. I’ve already spoken out against Convention Over Configuration in past blog entries (it's a nice idea, but very costly), and Don’t Repeat Yourself has been preached as good design ever since Fowler wrote Refactoring. I don’t think that the Ruby on Rails world can lay claim Model View Control or Don’t Repeat Yourself as both predate the existence of Ruby by a country mile. ;-) @Manuel: I stand corrected. :-) I’m not surprised that Third Rail doesn’t help. The Ruby world has been lax to adopt Eclipse simply because it isn’t written in Ruby, but Java. :-)

(I’ll be sure to get a metrosexual haircut. It’ll probably make me a better Ruby developer.)

@pt: Rails has a friendly community as long as you don’t point out its shortcomings. I’ve already spoken out against Convention Over Configuration in past blog entries (it’s a nice idea, but very costly), and Don’t Repeat Yourself has been preached as good design ever since Fowler wrote Refactoring. I don’t think that the Ruby on Rails world can lay claim Model View Control or Don’t Repeat Yourself as both predate the existence of Ruby by a country mile. ;-)

]]> By: pt http://terrychay.com/blog/article/rails-for-php-developers.shtml#comment-366882 pt Wed, 20 Feb 2008 00:45:40 +0000 http://terrychay.com/blog/?p=673#comment-366882 though messy, php is a very humble, powerful web dev lang with a very friendly community. rails is great but they think they're the best things arround. ah, let them brag: your biggest threat is your own success. hopefully php may learn loads about MVC, CoC and DRY. it well needs it. though messy, php is a very humble, powerful web dev lang with a very friendly community.

rails is great but they think they’re the best things arround. ah, let them brag: your biggest threat is your own success.

hopefully php may learn loads about MVC, CoC and DRY. it well needs it.

]]> By: Manuel Lemos http://terrychay.com/blog/article/rails-for-php-developers.shtml#comment-366676 Manuel Lemos Tue, 19 Feb 2008 20:41:12 +0000 http://terrychay.com/blog/?p=673#comment-366676 Terry, I was just being ironic too, regarding the fact that Delphi is more popular than Ruby according to TIOBE. I think that was due to Delphi for PHP, not really due to Delphi for Object Pascal. As for Ruby, it seems Borland/CodeGear Third Rail did not help. I am not sure if Third Rail is really a good name to give a Ruby IDE. It does not have Ruby in the name. As for you hitting on Ruby, never mind "beating on a dead horse". PHP is popular because the Web is popular and PHP came first as a language focused on Web development. PHP will always be the number 1 for the (public) Web because it solves everybody's problems and on the Internet, the number 2 is always much less popular than the number 1. Never mind about people that switch to Ruby. They just do that because they want to be different, not necessarily better. Note that most of them have different (read metrosexual) hair do and always use Macs. ;-) Some that tried to switch to Ruby, later returned to PHP, because they realized that they are not different from the crowd. PHP is all they needed, not the distractions of forced design patterns in bloated frameworks. All of this to say that the days of Ruby being the "language of the jour" are passing. Let them figure out by themselves. Terry, I was just being ironic too, regarding the fact that Delphi is more popular than Ruby according to TIOBE. I think that was due to Delphi for PHP, not really due to Delphi for Object Pascal.

As for Ruby, it seems Borland/CodeGear Third Rail did not help. I am not sure if Third Rail is really a good name to give a Ruby IDE. It does not have Ruby in the name.

As for you hitting on Ruby, never mind “beating on a dead horse”. PHP is popular because the Web is popular and PHP came first as a language focused on Web development. PHP will always be the number 1 for the (public) Web because it solves everybody’s problems and on the Internet, the number 2 is always much less popular than the number 1.

Never mind about people that switch to Ruby. They just do that because they want to be different, not necessarily better. Note that most of them have different (read metrosexual) hair do and always use Macs. ;-)

Some that tried to switch to Ruby, later returned to PHP, because they realized that they are not different from the crowd. PHP is all they needed, not the distractions of forced design patterns in bloated frameworks.

All of this to say that the days of Ruby being the “language of the jour” are passing. Let them figure out by themselves.

]]> By: Michael http://terrychay.com/blog/article/rails-for-php-developers.shtml#comment-366587 Michael Tue, 19 Feb 2008 18:58:28 +0000 http://terrychay.com/blog/?p=673#comment-366587 Forget Lua, Scala teh shiznit in '08. Turbo Pascal was the best back in the day. I wrote a program to graph the Mandlebrot Set in Turbo Pascal when I was in high school. It was only like 10K lines of code and only took a couple of days to run on my $2K, 12 MHz 286. Forget Lua, Scala teh shiznit in ‘08.

Turbo Pascal was the best back in the day. I wrote a program to graph the Mandlebrot Set in Turbo Pascal when I was in high school. It was only like 10K lines of code and only took a couple of days to run on my $2K, 12 MHz 286.

]]> By: John http://terrychay.com/blog/article/rails-for-php-developers.shtml#comment-366515 John Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:33:03 +0000 http://terrychay.com/blog/?p=673#comment-366515 Just wanting to brag a little, but I kicked ass in Pascal. I finished Pascal 1 so fast they moved me up to Pascal 2 half way through the semester! Just wanting to brag a little, but I kicked ass in Pascal. I finished Pascal 1 so fast they moved me up to Pascal 2 half way through the semester!

]]> By: Sean Coates http://terrychay.com/blog/article/rails-for-php-developers.shtml#comment-366395 Sean Coates Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:00:53 +0000 http://terrychay.com/blog/?p=673#comment-366395 I made this, last week: http://oreillymaker.com/link/12702/back2php/ S I made this, last week:

http://oreillymaker.com/link/12702/back2php/

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