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		<title>By: The Woodwork &#187; Blog Archive &#187; CA-50 and immigration ping</title>
		<link>http://terrychay.com/blog/article/immigrants-are-the-new-gay.shtml#comment-3236</link>
		<dc:creator>The Woodwork &#187; Blog Archive &#187; CA-50 and immigration ping</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 19:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In light of the primary election results, I thought Iâ€™d ping two of my previous political threads: CA-50 is dead to me and Immigrants are the new gay. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: tychay</title>
		<link>http://terrychay.com/blog/article/immigrants-are-the-new-gay.shtml#comment-3234</link>
		<dc:creator>tychay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 19:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An &lt;a href="http://www.swingstateproject.com/2006/06/ca50_postmortem.php" title="CA-50 Post-Mortem Open Threadâ€”Swing State Project" rel="nofollow"&gt;analysis of the election in CA-50&lt;/a&gt;.

I think the money quote is: â€œâ€¦putting a greater distance between themselves and Bush on immigration, like Bilbray didâ€¦ I think we should all be a little more cautious of our expectations for this November. The GOP has thrown a huge monkey wrench in the form of Immigration into the Democrats' 2006 strategy, and it's unclear yet how the Democrats plan to manage the issue.â€

This was my insight into the Republican strategy on immigration. Basically in national campaigns they will distance themselves from the moderate stance and in state and local campaigns they will approach it on an ad hoc basis. For instance, California, being a border state, is going to take a moderate stance on immigration, but in whitebread CA-50, the candidate is going to take a radical stance.

A classic wedge and all of you who are voting R this year are totally falling for it. :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An <a href="http://www.swingstateproject.com/2006/06/ca50_postmortem.php" title="CA-50 Post-Mortem Open Threadâ€”Swing State Project" rel="nofollow">analysis of the election in CA-50</a>.</p>
<p>I think the money quote is: â€œâ€¦putting a greater distance between themselves and Bush on immigration, like Bilbray didâ€¦ I think we should all be a little more cautious of our expectations for this November. The GOP has thrown a huge monkey wrench in the form of Immigration into the Democrats&#8217; 2006 strategy, and it&#8217;s unclear yet how the Democrats plan to manage the issue.â€</p>
<p>This was my insight into the Republican strategy on immigration. Basically in national campaigns they will distance themselves from the moderate stance and in state and local campaigns they will approach it on an ad hoc basis. For instance, California, being a border state, is going to take a moderate stance on immigration, but in whitebread CA-50, the candidate is going to take a radical stance.</p>
<p>A classic wedge and all of you who are voting R this year are totally falling for it. <img src='http://terrychay.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: tychay</title>
		<link>http://terrychay.com/blog/article/immigrants-are-the-new-gay.shtml#comment-2166</link>
		<dc:creator>tychay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 07:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2006_05_01_digbysblog_archive.html#114773136464356381" title="Final Solutionâ€”Hullabaloo" rel="nofollow"&gt;Digby explains the predicament much better than me&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2006_05_01_digbysblog_archive.html#114773136464356381" title="Final Solutionâ€”Hullabaloo" rel="nofollow">Digby explains the predicament much better than me</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: tychay</title>
		<link>http://terrychay.com/blog/article/immigrants-are-the-new-gay.shtml#comment-2161</link>
		<dc:creator>tychay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 01:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Radical â€œsolutionsâ€ to the â€œimmigration problemâ€ is one that crosses both sides of the aisle (both Democrats and Republicans support or oppose it in equal numbers). It seems the perfect wedge issue because those who are for â€œdeporting all the Mexicans and building a wallâ€ are very passionate minority.

As I mentioned above, the summary of immigration as a wedge issue was to take a â€œhard rightâ€ stance on the local level in battleground states (the House is actually more vulnerable than the Senate this election) while having a â€œmoderateâ€ position on the national level (Senate and Presidency). Remember that demographically, they have no choice but to take a moderate position on immigration in the long term or lose the â€œnew Republicansâ€ (socially-conservative minorities).

This was a sound &lt;b&gt;political&lt;/b&gt; strategy, if a bit evil and manipulative. The danger of the â€œmanipulativeâ€ part is that this time the manipulation seems a bit transparent since the only way to deal with immigration as an issue is on the national level. If it backfires it backfires bad because it relies on being ineffectual (the only people really hurt by tough anti-immigrant laws are going to be large corporations that fund the Republican party).

It turned out the real problem is that Bushâ€™s poll numbers have dropped so low (29%) than people are trying to &lt;a href="http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/05/conservatives-try-to-distance.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;label him a liberal&lt;/a&gt;, so he has to throw the conservatives a bone by tacking to the Right on this issue which further alienates him and the Republican party with most of America. See the problem is he is in Nixon territory so he canâ€™t afford to lose 40% of the 30% of america that still supports him.

Well, from &lt;a href="http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/002756.html" title="The End of the Bush Presidencyâ€”Sadly No!" rel="nofollow"&gt;the reaction on the Right&lt;/a&gt; it appears the strategy didnâ€™t work.

One thing you can say about about the rabid Right is, they may be a bunch of hypocritical fuckers but once theyâ€™re angry at you, they &lt;strong&gt;stay&lt;/strong&gt; angry at you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Radical â€œsolutionsâ€ to the â€œimmigration problemâ€ is one that crosses both sides of the aisle (both Democrats and Republicans support or oppose it in equal numbers). It seems the perfect wedge issue because those who are for â€œdeporting all the Mexicans and building a wallâ€ are very passionate minority.</p>
<p>As I mentioned above, the summary of immigration as a wedge issue was to take a â€œhard rightâ€ stance on the local level in battleground states (the House is actually more vulnerable than the Senate this election) while having a â€œmoderateâ€ position on the national level (Senate and Presidency). Remember that demographically, they have no choice but to take a moderate position on immigration in the long term or lose the â€œnew Republicansâ€ (socially-conservative minorities).</p>
<p>This was a sound <b>political</b> strategy, if a bit evil and manipulative. The danger of the â€œmanipulativeâ€ part is that this time the manipulation seems a bit transparent since the only way to deal with immigration as an issue is on the national level. If it backfires it backfires bad because it relies on being ineffectual (the only people really hurt by tough anti-immigrant laws are going to be large corporations that fund the Republican party).</p>
<p>It turned out the real problem is that Bushâ€™s poll numbers have dropped so low (29%) than people are trying to <a href="http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/05/conservatives-try-to-distance.html" rel="nofollow">label him a liberal</a>, so he has to throw the conservatives a bone by tacking to the Right on this issue which further alienates him and the Republican party with most of America. See the problem is he is in Nixon territory so he canâ€™t afford to lose 40% of the 30% of america that still supports him.</p>
<p>Well, from <a href="http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/002756.html" title="The End of the Bush Presidencyâ€”Sadly No!" rel="nofollow">the reaction on the Right</a> it appears the strategy didnâ€™t work.</p>
<p>One thing you can say about about the rabid Right is, they may be a bunch of hypocritical fuckers but once theyâ€™re angry at you, they <strong>stay</strong> angry at you.</p>
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		<title>By: tychay</title>
		<link>http://terrychay.com/blog/article/immigrants-are-the-new-gay.shtml#comment-2147</link>
		<dc:creator>tychay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2006 15:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My last sentence in my last comment had more foresight than I thought.

It appears that the strategy seems to be backfiring. â€œThe baseâ€ (i.e. the vocal right-wing minority of America) &lt;a href="http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/05/conservatives-debate-bush-impeachment.html" title="Conservatives debate Bush impeachment over immigration" rel="nofollow"&gt;are angered by Bushâ€™s stance on immigration&lt;/a&gt; and arenâ€™t accepting any token gestures.

Remember, as I noted earlier, the right-wing strategy is to have politicians on the local level talk tough on immigration in order to hold as many seats in the midterms, while the president and others take a weak stance. But they have lost control of their mouthpieces and now even Bush is going to have to â€œtalk toughâ€ on the immigrants. When wedge issues like this hit the national level, it is bad for the Republicans because the majority donâ€™t agree with it and making them aware of what â€œtheir partyâ€ really stands for is going to lose them a lot of votes.

&lt;a href="http://terrychay.com/blog/article/a-difference-of-one-letter.shtml"&gt;Bombing Iran&lt;/a&gt; may be the only solution for this party.

Then again, I wonder how many of them are going to buy &lt;b&gt;that?&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My last sentence in my last comment had more foresight than I thought.</p>
<p>It appears that the strategy seems to be backfiring. â€œThe baseâ€ (i.e. the vocal right-wing minority of America) <a href="http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/05/conservatives-debate-bush-impeachment.html" title="Conservatives debate Bush impeachment over immigration" rel="nofollow">are angered by Bushâ€™s stance on immigration</a> and arenâ€™t accepting any token gestures.</p>
<p>Remember, as I noted earlier, the right-wing strategy is to have politicians on the local level talk tough on immigration in order to hold as many seats in the midterms, while the president and others take a weak stance. But they have lost control of their mouthpieces and now even Bush is going to have to â€œtalk toughâ€ on the immigrants. When wedge issues like this hit the national level, it is bad for the Republicans because the majority donâ€™t agree with it and making them aware of what â€œtheir partyâ€ really stands for is going to lose them a lot of votes.</p>
<p><a href="http://terrychay.com/blog/article/a-difference-of-one-letter.shtml">Bombing Iran</a> may be the only solution for this party.</p>
<p>Then again, I wonder how many of them are going to buy <b>that?</b></p>
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		<title>By: The Woodwork &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The best advertising database in the world</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 18:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Say your â€œproductâ€ is â€œTell people we plan on building a wall and deporting all â€˜the Mexicansâ€™â€™.â€ our goal is to get them to â€œbuy your productâ€ (â€œgo vote for you to make up the reality that the majority doesnâ€™t like youâ€). And you have the NSAâ€™s â€œadvertising database.â€ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Say your â€œproductâ€ is â€œTell people we plan on building a wall and deporting all â€˜the Mexicansâ€™â€™.â€ our goal is to get them to â€œbuy your productâ€ (â€œgo vote for you to make up the reality that the majority doesnâ€™t like youâ€). And you have the NSAâ€™s â€œadvertising database.â€ [...]</p>
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		<title>By: tychay</title>
		<link>http://terrychay.com/blog/article/immigrants-are-the-new-gay.shtml#comment-1952</link>
		<dc:creator>tychay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 21:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two Rasmussen polls basically show what I guessed at:
&lt;ol&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.rasmussenreports.com/01%2006%20issues%20Immigration%20Iraq%20Barrier.htm" title="Views on Immigration by State - January 2006â€”Rasmussen" rel="nofollow"&gt;January 2006 Views of Immigration by State&lt;/a&gt;. Too bad, this poll doesn't have CA, FL and OH.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.rasmussenreports.com/2006/April%20Dailies/Immigration%20April%207.htm" title="46% Prefer Candidate Who Favors Barrier along Mexican Borderâ€”Rasmussen" rel="nofollow"&gt;April 2006 Effect of 3rd party anti-immigration candidate&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ol&gt;

The important thing to note is how immigration takes precedence of the Iraq war in some cases, the fact that polling on immigration cuts across party lines, and the fact that the issue is highly regional. These are all factors in a traditional â€œwedgeâ€ issue.

In fact, the Republican strategy from the polling seems pretty clear. They brought this wedge issue up as a stop-the-bleeding position in the midterm election. A lot of seats in areas that are highly in favor of â€œbuilding a wallâ€ have turned strong-Republican to weak-Republican (or from weak-Republican to toss-up). By allowing candidtates in these areas to take a strong anti-immigrant stance, it will override these voterâ€™s feeling about the mishandling of the Iraq war which is causing a lot of the anti-Republican sentiment.

Bush and presidential candidates, who need the immigrant vote in order to win nation elections, take the soft stance. Since most people mistakenly attribute to Bush policies which he is diametrically opposed to (at least in 2004 according to surveys), the same can be said of any election on the national level if the candidate is marketed properly. The reality is that of the states in the south, the border states seem to be the least strongly in favor of throwing up a wall. It ainâ€™t going to happen because it requires a national law and it will be hard to enforce.

Seems like a pretty good election strategy. I wonder how most of these Americans would feel when faced with this blatant manipulations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two Rasmussen polls basically show what I guessed at:</p>
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<li><a href="http://www.rasmussenreports.com/01%2006%20issues%20Immigration%20Iraq%20Barrier.htm" title="Views on Immigration by State - January 2006â€”Rasmussen" rel="nofollow">January 2006 Views of Immigration by State</a>. Too bad, this poll doesn&#8217;t have CA, FL and OH.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.rasmussenreports.com/2006/April%20Dailies/Immigration%20April%207.htm" title="46% Prefer Candidate Who Favors Barrier along Mexican Borderâ€”Rasmussen" rel="nofollow">April 2006 Effect of 3rd party anti-immigration candidate</a></li>
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<p>The important thing to note is how immigration takes precedence of the Iraq war in some cases, the fact that polling on immigration cuts across party lines, and the fact that the issue is highly regional. These are all factors in a traditional â€œwedgeâ€ issue.</p>
<p>In fact, the Republican strategy from the polling seems pretty clear. They brought this wedge issue up as a stop-the-bleeding position in the midterm election. A lot of seats in areas that are highly in favor of â€œbuilding a wallâ€ have turned strong-Republican to weak-Republican (or from weak-Republican to toss-up). By allowing candidtates in these areas to take a strong anti-immigrant stance, it will override these voterâ€™s feeling about the mishandling of the Iraq war which is causing a lot of the anti-Republican sentiment.</p>
<p>Bush and presidential candidates, who need the immigrant vote in order to win nation elections, take the soft stance. Since most people mistakenly attribute to Bush policies which he is diametrically opposed to (at least in 2004 according to surveys), the same can be said of any election on the national level if the candidate is marketed properly. The reality is that of the states in the south, the border states seem to be the least strongly in favor of throwing up a wall. It ainâ€™t going to happen because it requires a national law and it will be hard to enforce.</p>
<p>Seems like a pretty good election strategy. I wonder how most of these Americans would feel when faced with this blatant manipulations.</p>
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		<title>By: tychay</title>
		<link>http://terrychay.com/blog/article/immigrants-are-the-new-gay.shtml#comment-1808</link>
		<dc:creator>tychay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Apr 2006 20:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Next Hurrah &lt;a href="http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2006/04/how_the_gop_los.html" title="How the GOP Lost Its Wayâ€”The Next Hurrah" rel="nofollow"&gt;points to a right-wing analysis of the immigration debate&lt;/a&gt;.

Summary of the right-winger on WaPo (another reason why I donâ€™t read WaPoâ€™s columns and blogs anymore): â€œWeâ€™re no longer in the majority and itâ€™s someone elseâ€™s fault.â€ Like these â€œpopularistsâ€ were ever in the majority, instead of a patchwork of minority â€œvoting issuesâ€ that they are quickly running out of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Next Hurrah <a href="http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2006/04/how_the_gop_los.html" title="How the GOP Lost Its Wayâ€”The Next Hurrah" rel="nofollow">points to a right-wing analysis of the immigration debate</a>.</p>
<p>Summary of the right-winger on WaPo (another reason why I donâ€™t read WaPoâ€™s columns and blogs anymore): â€œWeâ€™re no longer in the majority and itâ€™s someone elseâ€™s fault.â€ Like these â€œpopularistsâ€ were ever in the majority, instead of a patchwork of minority â€œvoting issuesâ€ that they are quickly running out of.</p>
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