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	<title>Comments on: CA-50 and immigration ping</title>
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	<description>You tell that other boy, not to touch the woodwork...</description>
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		<title>By: tychay</title>
		<link>http://terrychay.com/blog/article/ca-50-and-immigration-ping.shtml/comment-page-1#comment-3408</link>
		<dc:creator>tychay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There should be a trackback here from &lt;a href="http://fupeg.blogspot.com/2006/06/election-results.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Mikeâ€™s site&lt;/a&gt;.

I believe if the Democrats want to "control the agenda" as Mike puts it, theyâ€™ve got to find some wedge issues of their own (like Living Wage and Global Warming).

More importantly, they shouldn't allow the Republican's to out-local them. Huh? Billbray was the moderate republican here. Why the heck didnâ€™t the Democrats air more adds showing him as a wishy-washy pro-immigrant Republican/more pictures of him with moderate Republicans/Washington insider/Bush lapdog? That would keep the anti-immigrant base voters at home.

Instead they stupidly let Republicans run on an anti-immigrant platform in anti-immigrant areas, anti-terrorism platform in Chicken Little areas, anti-abortion platform in the Bible belt, etc. All the while letting this clearly partisan backscratching and token voting to occur for political gain at the price of the true moralities of this country.

The Democratic election strategy: "We're with the majority of America on every issue" isn't going to fly when not every American exercises their franchise rights or is informed on what their candidate represents. Polling doesn't mean squat unless it lines up with likely voter models and you have a strategy that plays toward affecting both.

Besides, this sort of "triangulation" falls right into the Republican frame of "Democrats are Republican-lite." Clinton may have left office as a popular president, but last I checked, it wasn't because he had some brilliant election strategyâ€”unless his brilliant strategy was to hope that someone like Ross Perot runs for president as an independent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There should be a trackback here from <a href="http://fupeg.blogspot.com/2006/06/election-results.html" rel="nofollow">Mikeâ€™s site</a>.</p>
<p>I believe if the Democrats want to &#8220;control the agenda&#8221; as Mike puts it, theyâ€™ve got to find some wedge issues of their own (like Living Wage and Global Warming).</p>
<p>More importantly, they shouldn&#8217;t allow the Republican&#8217;s to out-local them. Huh? Billbray was the moderate republican here. Why the heck didnâ€™t the Democrats air more adds showing him as a wishy-washy pro-immigrant Republican/more pictures of him with moderate Republicans/Washington insider/Bush lapdog? That would keep the anti-immigrant base voters at home.</p>
<p>Instead they stupidly let Republicans run on an anti-immigrant platform in anti-immigrant areas, anti-terrorism platform in Chicken Little areas, anti-abortion platform in the Bible belt, etc. All the while letting this clearly partisan backscratching and token voting to occur for political gain at the price of the true moralities of this country.</p>
<p>The Democratic election strategy: &#8220;We&#8217;re with the majority of America on every issue&#8221; isn&#8217;t going to fly when not every American exercises their franchise rights or is informed on what their candidate represents. Polling doesn&#8217;t mean squat unless it lines up with likely voter models and you have a strategy that plays toward affecting both.</p>
<p>Besides, this sort of &#8220;triangulation&#8221; falls right into the Republican frame of &#8220;Democrats are Republican-lite.&#8221; Clinton may have left office as a popular president, but last I checked, it wasn&#8217;t because he had some brilliant election strategyâ€”unless his brilliant strategy was to hope that someone like Ross Perot runs for president as an independent.</p>
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		<title>By: tychay</title>
		<link>http://terrychay.com/blog/article/ca-50-and-immigration-ping.shtml/comment-page-1#comment-3277</link>
		<dc:creator>tychay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 21:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2006/06/the_next_open_t_1.html#comment-18311443" rel="nofollow"&gt;More analysis from DemFromCT&lt;/a&gt;.

His analysis is pretty good, but seems a bit partisan (a loss is a loss). I'll forgive him because heâ€™d from Connecticut and not CA-50 like I am.

The analysis (unrelated) I would like to highlight comes from a commenter:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Last year, when Arnold veered hard right at the suggestion of some White House operatives and qualified a bunch of anti-union, anti-Dem-supporters measures, Angelides once again was the voice of the opposition. The measures went down to defeat; and the teachers, firefighters, police and other public employees and service workers did not forget--they came out strongly for Amgelides.

Westly, the eBay multimillionaire, positioned himself as a "different kind of politician" or "different kind of Democrat"--ie, not beholden to the unions. He tried to project an air of competent centrism. Much more telegenic, he also argued that he was the more electable, that voters would reject Angelides' recognition that we need higher taxes, at least on the wealthy (whose rates were cut in the late '90s).

Westly might have succeeded, except that he hired the execrable Garry "Negatives R US" South to run his campaign. (He is the one who ran Gray Davis' campaigns for Governor. In 2002 they campaigned against Richard Riordan, running in the GOP Primary, so Davis could face the hapless Bill Simon instead, who he beat by only 5%.)

They went negative early to counteract Angelides' base of support, and Angelides, no shrinkng violet, hit back. The hits filled the airwaves. The upshot? Low turnout. My guess is that Westly's moderates were turned off and never came to the polls. Angelides' more liberal and organized supporters turned out, and he won all over the state.

Who will have the best chance against Schwarzenegger? Will it be the Revenge of the Nerd against the Terminator? Who knows. Maybe Californians are ready for a dose of reality. I certainly hope so, but this is a state built on fantasies.

One thing is certain for candidates trying to decide who to be: If you try to run as a "new" kind of candidate, walk the walk, don't practice the same old negative politics.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think itâ€™s true (given anecdotes from people at work) and very instructive about just how behind the times the Democractic campaign operatives are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2006/06/the_next_open_t_1.html#comment-18311443" rel="nofollow">More analysis from DemFromCT</a>.</p>
<p>His analysis is pretty good, but seems a bit partisan (a loss is a loss). I&#8217;ll forgive him because heâ€™d from Connecticut and not CA-50 like I am.</p>
<p>The analysis (unrelated) I would like to highlight comes from a commenter:</p>
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Last year, when Arnold veered hard right at the suggestion of some White House operatives and qualified a bunch of anti-union, anti-Dem-supporters measures, Angelides once again was the voice of the opposition. The measures went down to defeat; and the teachers, firefighters, police and other public employees and service workers did not forget&#8211;they came out strongly for Amgelides.</p>
<p>Westly, the eBay multimillionaire, positioned himself as a &#8220;different kind of politician&#8221; or &#8220;different kind of Democrat&#8221;&#8211;ie, not beholden to the unions. He tried to project an air of competent centrism. Much more telegenic, he also argued that he was the more electable, that voters would reject Angelides&#8217; recognition that we need higher taxes, at least on the wealthy (whose rates were cut in the late &#8217;90s).</p>
<p>Westly might have succeeded, except that he hired the execrable Garry &#8220;Negatives R US&#8221; South to run his campaign. (He is the one who ran Gray Davis&#8217; campaigns for Governor. In 2002 they campaigned against Richard Riordan, running in the GOP Primary, so Davis could face the hapless Bill Simon instead, who he beat by only 5%.)</p>
<p>They went negative early to counteract Angelides&#8217; base of support, and Angelides, no shrinkng violet, hit back. The hits filled the airwaves. The upshot? Low turnout. My guess is that Westly&#8217;s moderates were turned off and never came to the polls. Angelides&#8217; more liberal and organized supporters turned out, and he won all over the state.</p>
<p>Who will have the best chance against Schwarzenegger? Will it be the Revenge of the Nerd against the Terminator? Who knows. Maybe Californians are ready for a dose of reality. I certainly hope so, but this is a state built on fantasies.</p>
<p>One thing is certain for candidates trying to decide who to be: If you try to run as a &#8220;new&#8221; kind of candidate, walk the walk, don&#8217;t practice the same old negative politics.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think itâ€™s true (given anecdotes from people at work) and very instructive about just how behind the times the Democractic campaign operatives are.</p>
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		<title>By: tychay</title>
		<link>http://terrychay.com/blog/article/ca-50-and-immigration-ping.shtml/comment-page-1#comment-3246</link>
		<dc:creator>tychay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 23:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=7070" rel="nofollow"&gt;Tim references a comment i bookmarked&lt;/a&gt;.

I am putting it here because of the McCain reference in there. That picture is a classic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=7070" rel="nofollow">Tim references a comment i bookmarked</a>.</p>
<p>I am putting it here because of the McCain reference in there. That picture is a classic!</p>
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